Doug [he/him]

I expected you 6.2 stardates ago

Didn’t watch Gravity Falls but as far as I knew they were confirmed gay, admittedly in the finale.

There was also a gay cop in Onward

I also don’t agree that Finn was a minor character, he was a regular focal point in two movies much to the annoyance of the same conservative groups.

I’m by no means suggesting Disney is anywhere in the neighborhood of acceptable. Gay characters have a tendency to be tiny roles or unpromoted movies (I watch a lot of movies and I hadn’t seen anything for Strange World before it released). I’m just saying “never” is probably inaccurate for modern Disney.

You mean the Disney that conservative groups got mad at because two women had a split second “kiss” in a movie, or the Disney that made Song of the South?

And Robert Duncan McNeill was not-Tom Paris before he was Tom Paris.

Or was he Nicholas Locarno before later being not-Nicholas Locarno

Also a Hirogen in Voyager, Smallville, SG-1, Chuck, you’ve seen him a lot probably regardless of what you usually watch.

He’s also the voice of Venom in the most recent Spider-Man game

That’s just a side effect of early warp testing

Let’s not forget that space station was made by the people who he fought in the war. That’s got to figure in to those unmentioned psychological scars.

Spent years in exile on a desert planet while being hunted by former apprentice

Dealt with two generations of whiney Skywalker men (mostly joking)

I think the answer you’re looking for is

Yes

I’m doing my part!

I’ve seen some positive talk about TMP recently for one.

Aside from that it’s easy to find people falling in to the “the new stuff sucks. The old stuff is way better” about pretty much anything Trek or not.

Even your list doesn’t fit with the old adage of the evens being good and the odds being crap.

I think Beyond was my least favorite of the newer ones personally, but I’d still put it above the last time I watched Motion Picture so it seems silly to me to trash those while elevating all the old ones.

Star Trek is a universe of things between campy and serious. It’s possible enjoy them all, or ignore the ones to don’t.

Will you let that be your final battleground?

Yesterday the thing you love was the crappy new thing and lots of vocal assholes hated it.

Today you can choose to be the vocal asshole or just enjoy the thing you enjoy, no false praise needed.

Tomorrow the crappy new thing will be fondly remembered and the vocal assholes of today will seem foolish and, in part, pretend they never hated today’s thing.

This is true across various properties. The fact that you think “we don’t want to hear your constant whining” equates to “you have to praise the thing I like even if you don’t like it” really says something.

It may seem like it, but August 2022 wasn’t three years ago.

Even if it was that doesn’t really seem so disqualifying after we’ve just had a new season of Futurama and anticipate a new season of King of the Hill.

Orville may not have the financial draw, but I bet Seth had more fun with that than any of the animated stuff.

He never saw the propaganda film!

Kaylee might could run circles around most Starfleet engineers, LaForge included, but I bet she’d make B’Elanna uncomfortable with the way she hacked things together to make it work

That seems troublesome

Probably because you were in the wrong franchise not to mention the wrong ship

In weird things I don’t need to remember but do the patch notes for that included a change to the self destruct mechanism regarding whether it was only a bluff tactic or you could actually self destruct.

To make things more odd I can’t recall which way the change was. I think it was to actually be able to self destruct.