“The market regulates itself.”
Survival of the fittest!*
*Richest with the least amount of ethics.
The amount of ethics of any leader is irrelevant in capitalism. The system itself demands the creation of monopolies and constant growth. If you try to be a good person, some other company will “win the race” and take you out of the competition one way or another.
Expecting or demanding ethics of people is trying to fix the wrong problem, while the solution is toppling the entire system.
It’s more than that - once you grow to the point where management don’t all have personal relationships, how do you decide who to promote?
Metrics. Meaning, money minus controversies… So basically, everyone with decision making power is incentivized to push profits as far as they can without crossing that ever shifting line where the public gets pissed at them…
At all levels, there’s a selection pressure to find the people who push the boundaries as far as they to maximize short term profits without drawing attention to how the sausage is made…
With that as the basis for all promotions across all industries, is there any surprise we are where we are, with the system cannibalizing itself now that there’s no new markets to expand into?
All of that has been predicted by Marx since the 19th century. And he already created a better system.
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I’m an Apple customer but this is straight up wrong. Non-compete clauses this broad are ridiculous and practically stop ex-employees working anywhere they’re actually skilled to work. It quite literally ends someone’s career after their tenure.
If you’re expertise is SoC design and implementation, to be contractually restricted from working anywhere else that does SoC-related business is effectively kicking you out of the very industry and job pool you’re capable of working. Your mobility is totally stifled.
These kinds of restrictive covenants need to be outlawed or at least be limited to a short time frame no more than six months, requiring ex employers to pay the ex employee during this time if made redundant or fired or requiring the incumbent employer to pay the new employee during this time until they’re legally able to work again.
Hopefully this case goes against Apple favour and sets a strong precedent against absurd non compete clauses like this.
In Denmark, non compete clauses like these require the old employer to pay you for the period you’re not allowed to compete.
Darn that Denmark and its sensible employment laws and strong economy (especially considering GDP per capita).
Non-compete clauses should be illegal (or done like in Denmark, like the example of our fellow commenter here)
They’re illegal in the province I live in. They were all voided a few years ago.
They’re illegal in the country I live in. I mostly meant they should be illegal basically everywhere.
“Enormous corporation behaves like an enormous corporation”
I was about to say. Basically like every massive corporation these days
Water is wet, I guess
Not Apple, any big business. Are you new to capitalism little one?
Was going to say, fuck Apple, but if you think they’re alone in this, you are obscenely naive
we can still say fuck apple
I… I did…
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you’re were ‘going to say’ but your ‘going’ preface implied that you didn’t actually, even though you did write the text ‘fuck apple’. semantics, however I don’t think we should ever miss an opportunity to say fuck apple. Fuck Apple.
upon re reading your text I now understand you were using the term ‘going to say’ in a colloquial sense not a literal one, so I misinterpreted the comment sry.
Well, are the other ones accused?
Maybe not in this article but this is a perpetual accusation for just about any large and successful corporation to deal with. Using “Apple” gets headlines, but you’ve probably read similar accusations against Alphabet, Microsoft, Epic, EA, John Deere, etc…
I think it goes back to Rockefeller and Standard Oil. Buy or squash competition until you are the only one standing. Certainly Bill Gates did this and quite aggressively at times.
Any big company that doesn’t do this is doing it wrong. You may not like it but that’s the way things work. But all big companies will eventually fall given enough time and management changes.
They both seem to have a legitimate claim here. Apple is looking to protect their IP, and the start up is looking to hire knowledgeable workers. Employees they hire from Apple can’t share much without giving up Apple’s IP.
Since when is trying to keep someone from earning a living in their field of expertise because they worked for you count as ‘legitimate’?
If their expertise comes down to, “we did it this way at Apple,” they’re giving away IP. That’s exactly why companies poach people like this.
And if it doesn’t, they still can’t work. That’s not giving away IP, but they’re still fucked anyway.
That’s exactly why companies poach people like this.
Totally not because they are highly skilled engineers that can find other ways to solve the same problem.
Everybody in the world is after Apple, so they’re completely justified in making sure engineers can’t work in their fields after working for them.
Apple isn’t unique when it comes to this.
So?
It’s called knowledge, and it’s not fair to prevent people from using their knowledge.
Apple already have their patents. That’s what patents are for! The startup can’t do exactly what Apple did, or they would be sued. The startup will have to use their knowledge to create NEW tech, and that’s an excellent result.
I’m sure they have an NDA and Apple hasn’t been innovative in a while. Even if you count the tampon ear thingies.
Have you used an intel mac vs even the entry level m1? It sure feels like an innovative difference.
(to be clear fuck apple and all anticompetitive monopolies, oligarchs, etc)
No, I haven’t, I borrowed someone else’s Apple a couple of years ago and the privacy, control they had really freaked me out. It was super complicated to turn off the cloud, I couldn’t control the settings, it was disheartening. I have to say though, their software was why I borrowed it and why I understand why people love them. They know how to make the software smooth. I believe you that their new computer feels great. They always have a quality when you use them that has an indescribable niceness to them. I just wouldn’t buy one unless I had to.
Fair. The software settings can be a headache, but in large part because they are so granular IMO.
I had a high end intel mac for a while for my job and swapping to the m1 pro for the same command went from >50sec to like 17. It was game changing. Where the intel had to spin up its fans as loud as jet engines and got unbearably hot and loud all the time, my m1 never so much as gets noticeably warm. It feels like magic.
I just wish they were a more ethical company.
I just wish they were a more ethical company.
Right? They soothe you with their nice software and usability, lol.
Respecting the NDA becomes difficult when you’re doing the exact same job at a new company. A lot of what they know, and the reason they are being hired, is all stuff the NDA would cover. A person can’t realistically bring any ideas to the table without being influenced by their past.
This article is about Apple Silicon, which is still pretty new (only 2-3 years old), has the whole industry re-thinking the use of off the shelf silicon, and has done amazingly well for Apple. Apple Silicon is the biggest innovation from Apple since the iPhone. I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
Apple is a huge, rich, billionaire in cash, company, they can write their NDAs in a way that would cover them both. Is Apple Silicon out? Because I haven’t heard of it so it can’t be that groundbreaking. What does it do?
If you don’t know what Apple Silicon is I don’t think you have enough context to even comment on this topic. I don’t even know what you’re in this community.
It isn’t a product you directly buy, it’s their new chips (replacing Intel chips) in their computers, and higher end iPads. Their entire lineup uses them now.
It was on the front page but gatekeeping is a weird thing. I’m glad you love Apple, I’m sure it means a lot to them.
If you’re gonna participate in a discussion within a specific community, I wouldn’t call it gate-keeping for others to expect of you at least a base level of topic-specific knowledge.
Apple silicon, within the tech community, and Apple specifically, was a major thing. It’s the reason Intel needed to up their game as it’s why Apple severed the relationship. It drastically increased both battery life and performance, while reducing heat. Even people who hated Apple took a moment to give credit for the industry advancement.
I expect Apple people to understand all that, as well as others in the computer hardware community. I think it’s fair to expect commenters in an “Apple Enthusiast” community to know what Apple Silicon is before they start bashing the company for total failure to innovate.
People like you are why the fediverse isn’t blossoming. You could leave your entire first paragraph out and it’s a fair response.
Also, if you’re going to be a smug asshole at least proofread your responses.
I think the last sentence of the first paragraph was the real problem. I didn’t have that in there when I first wrote it, but then was confused on why someone would be in an Apple community who had no knowledge of the biggest Apple news over the last couple years. That could have been phrased better or excluded. I do still think someone with no knowledge of Apple Silicon doesn’t have enough context to say much on the topic. I did still provide the answer, as well. It wasn’t like my post was nothing but blind insults, which something I’ve seen from other users here.
The fediverse seems to be blossoming quite well, despite your feelings about me.
If you haven’t heard of it, you don’t follow hardware at all. M1 Macbooks were one of the highest profile, most broadly respected hardware releases in years, at least. Even people who have no interest in Mac OS took serious notice.
If you don’t know what Apple Silicon is, you’re way too ignorant of the hardware space to comment on how innovative Apple is. Even extremely casual audiences have heard of it.
Obviously, I haven’t lol. But I’m admittedly not techy, I’m more of a software person. You’re very defensive about them, you have the tampon ear thingies, don’t you?
Bro, these comments! lol
“I have no idea what I’m talking about, but since people are calling me out for talking out my ass, I’m instead gonna turn it on them for being ‘defensive,’ then recycle my same stupid ‘ear tampon’ insult.”
I just can’t stand world class stupid comments. “Apple doesn’t innovate” is incontrovertible proof that you have no clue what you’re talking about. It’s not “2+2=5” level. It’s “2+2=sbtaywbshd”.
Nothing to see here. Apple doing apple things.
They killed DarkSky. We need to break up Apple.
Each day, I read people discovering neoliberalism. It amazes me how naive people are.
Buy it or kill it. Every big corp ever.
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