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- apple_enthusiast@lemmy.world
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A trojan you have to install yourself (by accepting a malicious MDM profile) is not a trojan…
That’s not true. A Trojan is a virus disguised as something else to trick your victim. Am I the only one that messed with their friends with ones like sub7 and stuff like 30 years ago? Lol
No, he is correct. A program is only similar to (not equal to) a trojan if it is a corporate MDM installed, knowing the risks, since it is not intentionally corrupting files or causing harm. Spyware, yes, but not trojan.
No, they’re wrong. They were wrong as soon as they said a Trojan you have to install yourself, which is exactly how it works. It can’t work if you weren’t tricked into installing it. The Trojan doesn’t have to cause harm it’s called a Trojan based on the way it has to be deployed.
I agree with your sentiment, but it’s still a Trojan.
It just requires you to bypass all of the “do not do this unless you know what you’re doing” warnings to go through the very obviously risky process to be able to install the Trojan.
Do you know how most viruses and Trojans work? Because I can guarantee they don’t just show up on your computer magically.
OMG! See this is exactly what Apple said works happen if they were forced to slow side loading. I hope you are all happy!
“Checks notes”: Side loading has not been enabled yet…
… oh
I know I’m earning this downvoted spam, but…
This requires you to use enterprise-oriented features that blast you with warnings telling you not to do it. After you ignore those warnings they can install anything they want on your device.
This is basically sideloading for corporations.
And it is exactly an example of what will happen (and be quite common) if regular sideloading and alternative app stores with no Apple validation are forced on us.
It’s a problem on Android, already. Banking apps disable themselves if your device is rooted due to malicious Trojans that exploit that feature to gain easy access to your data.
Apple before implementing sideloading:
"We can’t let users install unverified apps. Sideloading will make our devices less secure. "
Apple after they’re forced to implement sideloading:
"We give users the freedom to install apps from outside the store. The iPhone is as secure as ever. "
I’m sure they’ll make sideloading a miserable enough experience for all involved (but not miserable enough to make it obvious that it’s in bad faith and incur the wrath of the EU) that both users and devs will just opt not to do it
this is why i took all banking apps off my phone. the websites work fine anyway.
I’m sorry for the Apple users, but Apple devices are so restricted, why would you even want to use one?
As a developer: superior hardware, years ahead of Android in terms of performance. Android is way too limited in what you can do with it as a developer.
Sorry, what? Are wee talking about different operating systems? Apple is way more hostile to developers, as I described in my other comment.
Practically you simply can do a lot more on iOS, especially if you are doing things that require a lot of performance. The CPU is much, much faster, you have access to more RAM, the GPUs are more advanced. There is actually a GPU computer API that works on all phones instead of the mess on Android where there simply isn’t anything that is universally supported.
APIs are also a lot more powerful on iOS. Anything related to media, for example. You have so much more control and advanced APIs for things like the camera, dealing with video data, etc. There simply is no comparison. Android is a toy OS compared to iOS.
It all comes down to what you use the device for. I know the apple hate is strong but there’s not a whole lot of different use cases going in to either one other than the ecosystems. Also most android fanatics haven’t even used an iPhone to comment on anything. They do anyway though.
I have used an iPhone for 2 years and getting an Android 6 months ago was a breath of fresh air. I could install any app I wanted, including custom launchers, sms, TTS, etc. I didn’t have to sign into a MAGMA account to use the device. I had a headphone jack. I could add a network speed tracked in the status bar. I could actually implement DNS adblocking and it worked. I could install Firefox extensions - a huge thing that’s 36% of the reason I’m not going back to iPhone.
DNS ad blocking on iOS has been fine a few years at least. I’ve been using NextDNS on mine since 2020. I actually shocked some family members at how easy it was to setup on theirs, to the point where they felt weird not seeing the ads plastered everywhere. One actually wanted them back. Stockholm Syndrome, I guess.
You can use either their app, which toggles a network profile for the DNS, or install a MDM profile from their site, which is a more persistent option. I prefer the app as you can toggle it off if something isn’t working and you want to confirm whther the DNS is the culprit.
Orion allows Firefox extensions and I’m sure others do as well. If you’re a nerd, love tinkering around constantly, and not your standard insta/tiktok/facebook/insert dating app user which I would argue is a huge amount of phone users. Android is the obvious choice, but only specific ones of course cuz there’s hate there too towards specific brands if you’re super nerd.
DNS ad blocking works too through VPN ad blockers (for 4-5? Years now). I don’t want to argue but every point you made makes no sense. You just didn’t do any research or are not really at the nerdom level to be so appreciative of an Android.
Google sells more of my data than Apple
None of them actually sell your data, and both of them have personnalised ads. The difference being one pretends to be a privacy warrior and the other has pretty detailed and granular privacy settings (spoiler, that’s not apple). Dont get me wrong, I dont like Google either and they probably collect and actually process personnal data than apple, but both of them are absolutely terrible and both of them absolutely know everything about you. It’s just that apple is much better at preserving a good brand image. Though one valid point I could see is that having a phone made by apple reduces the likely number of parties who have access to that data, on android, you often buy a phone from samsung or the others, and then they also have their spyware on theere
I used to install custom ROMs on my android phone and spent days of my life getting everything exactly the way I wanted things.
I ended up with a clunkier version of iOS.
Ultimately I don’t need or want an open platform in my pocket. I want to be able to trust that the App Store isn’t garbage, and don’t want to have to worry about my parents easily installing viruses on their devices.
