You’re having the same conversation with me on multiple threads and it’s me who is thick? It seems like you’re personally insulted when someone does not choose the tech stack that you identify with. It’s a language, not a religion, you’re going to be ok. I have my reasons not to like it and you do not have to approve. Get over yourself.

No, these are different situations. One openly sued the user’s of their language, the other did not.

Give them a few years to change the rules. If their prior love of lawsuits is any indication they will do so soon.

Not usually. Are you always this poor of a communicator?

Feel free to do you, I have told you this already. Seeing you’re unable to drop the conversation, when did Microsoft ever sue someone for using C#? I trust Microsoft far more than Oracle (reasons detailed in another comment). However, I do not run Microsoft software at my company at this time, other things work better for what I need.

Depends on how you “introduce me to reality”

Do you always make vague threats when someone disagrees with you on the internet?

Google got sued for using the language. They won, but I can’t afford that fight. They might lose but I refuse to believe that Oracle won’t change their mind in the future and decide that anyone who breathes the word Java owes them money. Oracle can’t be trusted.

I like languages that aren’t going to get my company sued later

When have they ever sued someone for using .NET?

Is that a threat?

C# is not my first choice but I did tolerate it the last time I worked a corporate job. MS seems committed to .NET core being open source and have never tried to rug pull C# or the .NET framework itself.

Also, I believe Microsoft’s incentives are different, and in a way that benefits me. For instance, they sell more Windows Server licenses because it’s easier for legacy shops to administrate (even though it can be done with nginx now). They also get more native software released for Windows, sell more Visual Studio Pro licenses and are able to steer people toward Azure DevOps and other Azure based cloud services.

Oracle has some similar products but their revenue streams are miniscule in comparison. They also have historically been a very lawsuit-based company, as an aggressor not a defendant.

What a well thought out retort /s

Reality.

Sorry, no, I will not go back to my abuser because they say it’s different this time.

Sorry, I have my own company, my choices matter, you should blame whomever made that choice for you.

It’s not necessarily cynicism if it’s based on previous patterns of behavior. Oracle reveals themselves to be run by bullies again and again and I choose to not put myself at risk. You do you.

It’s just my reasoning as to why I won’t use Oracle products. Feel free to put your own company at risk.

I don’t have to fight if I just use something else. There is very little advantage to using Java when everything from .NET to Node to Ruby to Python are all super mature and have a similar amount of open source packages available. There might still be a question of performance and for that we have Go, Rust and elixir- not quite as mature but all still can do everything I need and then some.

As an added bonus, none of those frameworks have Larry Ellison lurking around the corner waiting to sue me if he decides to change the terms of license. Java is dead to me.

Feel free to use it, as long as you’re willing to pay lawyers to fight them when they decide otherwise.

It was expensive for Google and fighting them would destroy most companies. It’s cheaper to avoid the ecosystem entirely.

That’s great for as long as they allow that to exist. I do not have an army of lawyers, they do. I will not ever be using Java.