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I saw someone ask on Mastodon if we are witnessing the next evolution of humanity; those who can be skeptical of the information they are presented with vs just agreeing with it because it tells them what they want to hear. The example was that a disproportionate number of conservatives died from just not believing information about covid from people who were smarter (at this specific subject) than they were.

Concur. it’s a better game than GtR (which is enjoyable in its own right, but it’s the “world’s greatest prototype” and Innovation is a production game…)

I can understand that stance. I think what SdJ represents doesn’t really equate to “this is the best game” so much as “this is a game that you should pick up and play over Christmas” because of the criteria that is involved in selection. That’s why it has such sway in sales; because you have a bunch of families who are looking for a TtR level game and they run out and buy it for the rest of the year accordingly. Their advanced category is effectively “ok, you’ve already played a couple of boardgames, now here is the next level” which is still a far cry from Terra Mystica. How decipherable the rulebook is, stages at which planning for turns is done, all of that is criteria but on a culturally oriented level for just German families, not an abstract one for connoisseurs (ala BGG).

Something a friend of mine in Germany told me; you see more people playing boardgames, but a reduction in percentage of “heavy gamers” (which is an amorphous metric anyway once we cross cultures). SdJ meets their needs because that’s what the populace by and large needs an award for (compared to heavy gamers who do their own research). That’s why I also look at the Jogo; it’s going to look at what Americans would consider “heavy” games.

I wish they had an actual “advanced” category, with heavier games. Their advanced cateogory is honestly a joke.

I guess my question is, why would they need to expand? The reason SdJ is so big is because you can hand off the nominations and winner to a generic family in Europe and they go “ok, this is what to play at the holiday season” which is why one of the criteria is “it’s widely available in Germany.” Heavy games aren’t going to have that fit that purpose, and the Jogo de Ano already sort of covers that niche if you’re just looking for casual recommendations.

THANK YOU.

I’m sort of peeved that boardgames has gone from a “hey, I get to sit in meat space not staring at a monitor and doing something fun with friends” into a consumerist dog and pony show.

I was hoping this was going to be “you take the PRR and run it over the B&O” and “you try and get your train company to Chicago” or “you never build, only auction or develop” but yeah, it’s mostly about what you own and what you’re buying.

This is closer to my process. I give the rulebook a first pass, push some pieces around, and then I look for something like a 10min video that goes over turn actions in detail or exceptions to check my understanding of what I did when I was playing multi-handed. A trick I find that works well is to “build the world”:

1. Look at components, what does each piece represent, what are spaces on a map, what is the nuance between similar spaces/pieces. Are there things listed on the board that are tracks or warnings or things like that.
2. What’s a turn look like; how are actions selected, what actions are options, etc.
3. What special things do I need to be aware of
4. How does scoring function.

3 gets short shift before watching the video, but I do it this way because what they talk about in scoring makes little sense if I don’t know what the components are, etc.

The Root implementation is good. My personal favorite though is still Twilight Struggle.

In the realm of worker placement/action drafting games, I think Rosenberg is king, and of his WP games, O&L is the only one ** I’ve kept for multiple years now. The decision space for what to do on any given turn (especially late game) is absolutely massive is part of that reason. Also, kudos to @lolzy_mcroflmao for not wanting to overlap across friend groups. We do the same thing in our household.

If 2p is a requirement, then I would suggest The Colonists by Tim Pulz and once you play it once, start in era 3. It’s a longer game in general though, but I find it’s a much better 2p experience for the same proverbial question.

** (I have Rosenberg’s newest Canal game, but it just arrived and I haven’t played it yet. Also, I don’t really consider Glass Road a WP game which is why it didn’t make the list).

I was going to say 6 Nimmt as well. The no writing of scores is the toughest part of their requirements…

Agree about the trap.

One thing that I find interesting about Bohnanza is how the question “what is the current market value” isn’t always “what am I getting for it” (as in receiving a bean card) and that changes by player count and groups to encompass “sometimes I’m getting out of a jam.” For example, at 3p, I’m more likely to find that I have to offer something else out of my hand (and I would argue, for flow purposes, probably have an incentive to) to sweeten the deal, or even just give it away and offer something to get someone to take it. That leverage fades as you add more players to the point where at 7p, I find it’s more of an auction as there are multiple people interested in the beans on offer courtesy of so many fields being in the game.

We’ve played a snot-ton of 6 Nimmt, so much that we’ve worn out two decks and are on our third…

I stopped by the Amigo booth at Origins this year and said that we play a lot of 6 Nimmt, and what would they suggest to diversify. They pointed me to 2Can and we played a round and I can see the potential, especially at player counts under 4 or 5. I haven’t gotten it to the table yet at home, but it’s on the agenda for July.

I’m predominantly vertical, but it depends on the game and where it’s going more than anything else. Those Ticket to Ride type boxes that are large squares almost exclusively get set horizontal because I don’t want to move the brackets on the shelf up. My Agricola/euro game boxes are all stored vertically. Regardless, I bag everything inside anymore which largely solves the pieces moving around aspect for me.

Ngl… That Twilight Struggle app got me through a large chunk of covid. (edit: whether it’s currently on sale or not is unknown to me at the moment)

Light weight: 6 Nimmt

Medium weight: Ginkgopolis

Heavy weight: Fire in the Lake

Your most played game of all time: Wizard (we’ve worn out 3 sets, and everyone in the family has sets. There was a solid decade where we played it constantly)

Your favorite game of all time: That’s a decent question. I have games that I’m quite fond of, a bunch of 9s on BGG but no 10s. There is nothing I have with over 10 plays right now that I’m of the opinion “wow, this is both a game I really like, and one in which I see as a clear first among equals.”

Big week for me given it was Origins:

Dien Bien Phu: The Final Gamble (2p) - This was my first game due to a confluence of events preventing me from playing earlier in the spring. I’d read the rules and sort of gotten prepped and did pretty well. The French suffered from terrible rain and thus has trouble countering my VM offensive on the North. In 6 hours we finished 1/3rd of the game. It’s just sort of a monster. I have a copy, and I’ll get it played some more, but because it’s as much a sim as a game, I don’t know that I’ll end up keeping it.
Fire in the Lake (2x 4p) - Annual long scenario game with friends. Last year we squeezed in two in the 8 hours we had allocated and this was no different. My VC won on the first coup card cause everyone else screwed around and I triggered appropriate events. Second game I wasn’t so lucky and the ARVN took it after a slog on a late 3rd coup. I think there are some real downsides to the COIN structure (bottlenecks of information planning, how the deck functions with initiative, etc), but we sit and shit talk and otherwise catch up (cause none of us live in the same area currently) so the time isn’t bad.
Mushroom Eaters (4p) - this was my one weird contribution to the con. I go to Origins most years because I want to play games I otherwise can’t play at home. I had a copy and few people do so I brought it. This was less like watching a tribe go on a spiritual journey, find enlightenment, and then select a new shaman (which is the thematic victory), and more watching Ren & Stimpy take drugs and get lost in the woods.
Container (5p) - This is my other annual obligation but this time it’s with people that, at one time, all lived in town but many have moved away and we only get to see them at the con. I won by about $30. Newbies and rusty players almost always overpay at auctions and thus just hand victory margin to the shipper(s).
Two Rooms & A Boom (11 iterations) - The best game I had was the one where we helped (through an informal lieutenant system) everyone except for MI6 and Red Team all met their victory conditions. I love playing this at cons (because it’s more about information trading than about raw deduction), but I’m tired of effectively babysitting a bunch of <10yr olds cause the parents deposit them there and then go play Werewolf or watch the Smithee awards.
Virgin Queen (6p) - TLDR: Abysmal start and then a slow climb out to what we all thought was a T5 victory, only to re-read the rules (after the fact) and someone else won a domination victory on T4. I like the story it makes when we play, but damn if the game isn’t slightly overwrought…
Gardeners (2p & 3p) - Met up with another friend I only see at cons and we did the this and the two Japanese games which were new to him. Gardners is a cute riff on Magic Maze. I think it’s best at 3, and cromulent at 4.
Madrino (3p) - This is borderline an activity but it’s hilarious to play. We rolled 4 toilets the entire game for fixtures, so I plunked them all in the same room with one on one side and the rest all facing it and named my house the Evil Plumber Lair.
Izayoi (3p) - New to both my spouse and our friend. I lost it near the end of the game when I realized that I would get stuck with one of the trinkets which pushed me over my master’s point limit. I really need to sleeve my cards for this if it’s going to stick around.