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That could be… Arranged.

Agreed. Thanks for the interesting discussion :)

I think I know what you mean when you say that but I think you’re still saying basically the same thing. The so called American dream is based on those horrific and violent ideals. We need to go back much farther in our history or look into the history of others if we want to find a time that we had uncorrupted or rather non selfish values. I’m still not sure it ever existed, it certainly hasn’t in this “country”. What I am sure of is that we can make a better future with or without the outdated notions of American ideals .

If you don’t think white supremacy and nationalism represents American ideals I’ve got a reality check for you. It absolutely does and there has never been a time when that wasn’t true. “Our” country was built on horror, hate, subtraction, and misery.