The guardian of forever was discovered just a few hundred years after the release of unrelated Belgian techno anthem, pump up the jam

No, it’s the episode of discovery where he is mentioned. It feeds his ego directly.

You weren’t aware he had a guest spot on an episode of voyager? Well, then yes, really.

The orville is a lot of fun. Feels a lot like TNG but modern and with some humor thrown in. Though the most recent (likely last) does away with most of the humor in favor of a bit more serious, almost movie like stories.

I do agree that discovery is not as bad as most make it out to be, same with Picard, and I actually really enjoyed season 3 of Picard.

I think I just like SNW so much because it’s just that, kind of tame, low stakes, it just feels like trek to me. Not every episode or season needs to be some ultra serious galaxy ending threat.

Lower decks is just fast paced silly fun.

In fairness, voyager ruined the Borg, not Picard.

Also not really sure about that whole being put in his place by women comment… Is it just that you feel he was put in his place at all, or that it was a woman who did it? Cause if it’s the latter…

Anyways I feel that would be a mistake not to at least give SNW or lower decks a try as you never actually know until you try, but I’m not going to sit here and try and convince you beyond saying what I already have if you have already made up your mind. Then again, it’s probably a good idea if things being different upset you this much. All the best.

And don’t worry I know you didn’t mean that I personally ruined star trek.

How far do you get into it before you get tired of it? I know you mention that quark and odo on the mountain episode and that’s at least later on.

Personally I like ds9 because it very much was still star trek but managed to show it in a somewhat darker way that felt a little more “realistic” and less of that feeling that everyone lives in utopia. The dominion war towards the end was also very interesting in that they started doing some serialized story telling, something that didn’t really happen in trek or in tv much at all at that point. By today’s standards it is certainly a bit dated, but still, an interesting and different take I thought.

I do also happen to like the characters, which I think is essential for any show. So if you never really liked them, then yea I imagine it wouldn’t be fun to watch.

Have you watched lower decks or strange new worlds? Strange new worlds is in my opinion easily the most “star trek” of the newer shows and I think it’s excellent. Lower decks is obviously a cartoon but it too manages to somehow feel more like star trek than discovery and often Picard and it’s just a lot of fun and seems to be self aware enough to make it silly while still feeling like Star Trek.

The orville is also great and great star trek, too bad it’s very likely not returning for more.