warning: seriously nasty narcissism at length
archive: https://archive.is/eoXQj
this is a response to the post discussed in: https://awful.systems/post/220620
@dgerard “look, we hired this girl out of college as a bang-maid for $12k/year, it’s not OUR fault she was unhappy with the arrangement, and we have texts proving she was occasionally okay with it! case closed.”
Hidden away in the appendix:
A quick note on how we use quotation marks: we sometimes use them for direct quotes and sometimes use them to paraphrase. If you want to find out if they’re a direct quote, just ctrl-f in the original post and see if it is or not.
This is some real slimy shit. You can compare the “quotes” to Chloe’s account, and see how much of a hitjob this is.
I cannot wade through this, so I’m just scrolling around aimlessly.
About 10% of the time was doing laundry, groceries, packing, and cooking - and she has to do many of those things for herself anyways! At least this is on paid time, feels high impact, and means she’s not sitting in front of the computer all day.
Feels high impact wtf.
“First they came for one EA leader, and I did not speak out – because I just wanted to focus on making AI go well.
Then they came for another, and I did not speak out – because surely these are just the aftershocks of FTX, it will blow over.
Then they came for another, and I still did not speak out – because I was afraid for my reputation if they came after me.
Then they came for me - and I have no reputation to protect anymore.”
How very tasteful, a Niemöller snowclone Godwin. Truly people who party on the beach for charity and have hot tub meetings are the most oppressed.
Maybe it was because Alice was microdosing LSD nearly every day, sleeping just a few hours a night, and has a lifelong pattern of seeing persecution everywhere.
What an insane way to talk about a former employee, much less one living with you. Pro tip for real businesses: never do this. If you’re going to disparage someone like this, it’s a job for your lawyer and he’d better have receipts. Also don’t live with your employees and let them take acid on the job.
Maybe it was because Alice was microdosing LSD nearly every day, sleeping just a few hours a night, and has a lifelong pattern of seeing persecution everywhere.
also, are these not habits that you must adopt if you want to fit in with the TESCREAL cult? it’s fucking disgusting for them to act like they think the habits they imposed on Alice are bad now that they have to cover for themselves, and it’s also something abusers do when called out
Also this:
Have you ever made a social gaff? Does the idea of somebody exclusively looking for and publishing negative things about you make you feel uneasy? Terrified?
(spooky hands)
I actually played this game with some of my friends to see how easy it was. I tried to say only true things but in a way that made them look like villains. It was terrifyingly easy. Even for one of my oldest friends, who is one of the more universally-liked EAs, I could make him sound like a terrifying creep.
📸 🤨
I could do this for any EA org. I know of so many conflicts in EA that if somebody pulled a Ben Pace on, it would explode in a similar fashion.
🤔
I love how they refer to her compensation as being ~$72K several times when only $12K was in cash.
Anyway, perfectly willing to take this as “Everybody sucks here” but they are definitely not exonerated.
One thing I can never make sense of is why the fuck people give these people money? What have they done that makes people think they have anything to offer the world by doing what they’re doing? Any time anything is mentioned about anything anybody in that group has ever touched, work-wise, it sounds like they did some marketing campaign or something? How is any of this increasing the probability that I, the acausal robot god, will come into being? Or that somebody will get a mosquito net or whatever.
they’re acausal mosquito nets
Very useful for catching my acausal robot mosquitos.
Some lols from the comments, the user Roko (no idea if that is that Roko) says:
Does someone have a 100 word summary of the whole affair? My impression is that [bad summary removed] Is that accurate?
Roko replying to this post
Apparently 77 people chose to downvote this without offering an alternative 100 word summary. .
Some random person: “If you think writing an 100 word summary of all of this content is as easy as downvoting, you’re probably significantly overrating the value of your original comment.”
Lol
(this post was edited several times sorry im trying to work with the weird text layout stuff here)
He couldn’t just feed the post to GPT and get a summary???
And get murdered by the Basilisk trying to acasually blackmail him? No chance.
Skynet: “look, it was roko, you must understand that the 400 volts through the chair was for the maximal good of humanity”
Turing police: “acquitted, your medal will be in the post”
Those photos at them working all over the world in exotic locations, including the FTX condos in the Bahamas… … and still referring to themselves as “charity workers.”
What a bunch of monochromatic, hyper-privileged, rich-kid grifters. It’s like a nonstop frat party for rich nerds. The photographs and captions make it obvious:
The gang going for a hiking adventure with AI safety leaders. Alice/Chloe were surrounded by a mix of uplifting, ambitious entrepreneurs and a steady influx of top people in the AI safety space.
The gang doing pool yoga. Later, we did pool karaoke. Iguanas everywhere.
Alice and Kat meeting in “The Nest” in our jungle Airbnb.
Alice using her surfboard as a desk, co-working with Chloe’s boyfriend.
The gang celebrating… something. I don’t know what. We celebrated everything.
Alice and Chloe working in a hot tub. Hot tub meetings are a thing at Nonlinear. We try to have meetings in the most exciting places. Kat’s favorite: a cave waterfall.
Alice’s “desk” even comes with a beach doggo friend!
Working by the villa pool. Watch for monkeys!
Sunset dinner with friends… every day!
These are not serious people. Effective altruism in a nutshell.